This is the smartest
shit you’ll hear today.
Generally because you
only talk to dumb people.
I’m Chuck with Beef Chest.
This is Seamick Bee.
I don’t think that’s the
tittest tagline that’s ever
been invented. But you
know, I was just trying stuff.
So recently, Reddit had
some issues. Reddit’s
a big big website
if you don’t know it.
I have been on Reddit for 12 years. I don’t
consider myself a significant Redditor.
I don’t have a particular amount of
Karma that would be impressive to anyone.
But it is a very useful site for someone
like me who likes to intake a lot of
information from a lot of sources,
serious, all the way down to ridiculous.
It’s all there. And that’s
a like about it. That’s
what I like about it. I like
that it’s user submitted.
It’s user run. And of course, that ends up
being the problem for the company that is
Reddit. Reddit, they had a basically a
protest recently and all the big sub-redits.
So they went private, which meant you couldn’t just
go and surf them and look at them yourself. You
couldn’t just drop in and see what was going on.
You couldn’t just read stuff from that sub-redit.
Because it was now private. This
was in retaliation to Reddit saying they
wanted to basically take away the ability
for third party apps to use their API.
What does that mean? I, when I look at Reddit on my
phone, don’t use the official Reddit app. I use a
thing called Reddit is fun. I use it because I like
it better. The official Reddit app is kind of dick.
Excuse me. I just ate so much
food. It’s ridiculous. It’s like an
emotional issue that I’m having.
I just struggling with food lately.
So I use this alternative app. It uses stuff. Again, I
don’t want to get into the technical issues, A, because I
don’t understand it. It gets into stuff and pulls that
magic Internet stuff to pull content from Reddit to the app.
The thing is, the advertising
on that app doesn’t go
back to Reddit. It goes back
to the creator of the app.
Reddit said either you pay a ridiculous
amount of money. This is all about
money. This is what companies do. This
is actually called the in-shitification.
This is actually a real thing. You go
online, you can search for in-shitification.
You’ll actually get a wired article. I think
it was one of the first places I saw it.
It goes through the steps of how a
company grows and then becomes more shitty.
They call it
in-shitification, which I really
enjoy. It’s the kind
of word I remember.
If they used more language like this, more
creative language that suited my parlons,
I would remember a lot more words.
But just to sum up what’s happened
on Reddit, Reddit’s like they want
to make this change, basically want
to shut down any third party apps.
You have to use their app and all these people are like,
“Why the fuck are you doing that? That’s just shitty in me.
You’re just taking money away from other people who are
actually working really hard to make your website better.”
They did a blackout. Reddit comes
in and says, “You can’t do blackouts.
You got to open up your subreddit
or we’re going to be nasty.”
A lot of the subreddit said, “What we’ll do is we’ll change it
from regular to not safe for work because you can’t advertise or
monetize not safe for work websites because Disney doesn’t want
to add showing up next to someone getting like hardcore bone.”
Then, Reddit’s like, “You can’t do that.
We’re going to force you back into it.”
So the protest kind of failed there.
It’s the hypocrisy of this more than
anything else that bugs me. It’s your website
running the way you want, but Reddit as a
website is based off the free labor of people.
Primarily, people submitting content.
That content comes from another source.
Let’s say I make this podcast. Someone else
takes the podcast and puts it on Reddit as like,
“Here’s a stupid podcast I like or I saw and
they talk about Reddit aren’t you interested?
I’ve done the work to create the content that
user has done the work of making it public
on Reddit. Moderators unpaid. Make sure
people don’t get out of hand in the comments.”
So there are three sources of unpaid labor that make
Reddit work and then Reddit is being greedy about
ad stuff because Reddit, if my post, so okay, I got
to do a piece by piece, the mods don’t get paid.
So any ad revenue
that Reddit makes, a cut
doesn’t go to the mods.
That’s an unpaid source.
The person who posts
the content, if it gets
really popular, there’s
no payback for that.
So if you find the best
content and you post on Reddit,
you get Karma, but Karma
doesn’t translate into anything.
And then I is the person
who’s a creator of content. It’s
completely alien to my
platform. So I get views and stuff.
So maybe if I monetize through a secondary
source like, I post this on YouTube, it gets
monetized on YouTube, but the Reddit element of
the advertising, that doesn’t come back to me.
So Reddit as a platform
is based on taking the
work of other people
and utilizing it for growth.
So they were threatening to remove mods and I actually wish the
mods had gone with it and just said, “Fine, replace us. Replace the
hundreds of thousands of people who moderate sub-redits. I would have
loved to see that because then the site would collapse into anarchy.
And it’s what Reddit actually deserves.
I have been looking for an alternative.
This is not the first time a blackout
has happened because at Reddit.
And I have looked for alternatives multiple times. Right now, let
me dot world, l-e-m-m-y dot world, seems like an up-and-coming
growing mastodon driven alternative. Still needs to be
worked on, but it seems better conceptually. How about that?
But if all the mods had left, and this is kind of like I’ve done
stuff in the past where what we need is everyone, users, customers,
whatever, to actually work in uniform, in unison, if they do that,
the protests will be successful because the company will collapse.
So the adjudification, but of course, you’re a mod because of a
certain amount. You’re not doing unpaid work because you love to not
be paid. You’re doing unpaid work because there’s prestige or
something you’d love you want to take care of. It’s one of the other.
There’s a lot of jokes about Reddit mods, they’re
just mods in general. But at the end of the day,
these are people who’ve dedicated their time to
something and they don’t want to just give it up.
So I understand the reluctance, but I
think if all the mods at Reddit were like,
“hands up, we don’t like what you’re doing,
we’re not going to moderate anymore.”.
It would just be all like Nazis
and porn in comments from that
point on, making this site
unusable for that point forward.
It would just be essentially for a chance,
something like that. But something where
advertisers would just be like, “We’re
not putting any money into this anymore.”
So if you just did that. So if just the
moderators just said, “We give up on Reddit,
we’re going to wait until another website
comes up that does things the way we like it.”.
They could actually
collapse Reddit in a week.
The social model worked. So what
they said is we want people to submit,
we’ll vote on the content, we’ll
have moderation. That’s all unpaid.
And the site group, that’s
again, it’s been around for
12 years more plus because
I’ve been on it for 12 years.
So what has changed? So in
shitification is a concept. It’s a real
thing and it does happen to
companies. So we have some examples.
So I want to talk about that.
Number one, step one, the
website or the service is
created. It’s good to users.
One of the examples is Amazon, Amazon used to
be all about getting customers, their books
and they actually used to sell things at a
loss to make sure that people had the money.
To make sure that people had the
best experience they possibly could.
Reddit, good to users, it was all about
the users. And then there’s growth.
Number two, step two is abuse the users
to make money generally on advertising.
So the ads start to come in. We’re
talking Facebook. We’re talking like Amazon
has other companies sort of come in.
That becomes their business partners.
The business partners are how the company makes money. This spurs
growth, but then they have to make it a little shittier for the
user because the priority has changed. The priority is no longer
a good user experience. It’s a good business partner experience.
Then that grows to a degree. And
then step three is abuse the business
partners to claw back value for
yourself so that the company can grow.
So now you are no longer concerned with
the users. You’re no longer concerned with
the business partners. You are solely
concerned with your own growth and profits.
This was the example that I
saw was Facebook. Facebook had
advertisers in business partners
and they were talking about content.
And then people would go to Facebook to read
news articles and then Facebook closed off the
news articles if the company that produced the
news articles didn’t pay to boost their posts.
The people who subscribed to that post to that service wouldn’t
see it. So they forced business partners to pay to get subscribers
to see those things. YouTube has a similar thing. You can
subscribe to stuff and it never seems to show up on your feed.
Why is that? It’s because they want
those people, those business partners,
those things to pay for the service
they’re supposed to be providing.
Because really all of this is content
creator provides content that goes
direct to user. It’s supposed to be
the model for like YouTube and stuff.
This is to me the appeal of
podcasts so far because I run
my own website. So SeeminkBiz
on the ChuggaBeafchest.com.
It’s hosted there. I own it.
There is no middle step between
me and the user. So I
make it. I post it. You get it.
You probably are picking your
own podcast app player to do
like a podcast catcher to listen
to the podcast. But that’s it.
That is. And then if the one you have doesn’t
work, there’s going to be a million others
that do. You can just go to the website and
listen to it. All this stuff is available.
Because I am in complete control. It
doesn’t mean that I don’t get sort of the
view. The expanded view of like powerful
algorithms and advertising and stuff.
But it means that this will remain for the user. Now the
insutification of this podcast could absolutely happen. I
start getting advertisers. The advertisers get to a point
where they’re like telling me what I can and cannot say.
We grow to the Joe Rogan experience level of fame where a
company gives me a hundred million dollars. And now I no longer
give a shit about selling other people’s products. I lock
them into like 10, 15 year contracts that they have to pay.
And I give them really bad ads and stuff. And
all I care about is calling back my own. It is
the demise of me as a person, which would be great
because I would end up being rich in the way.
That is kind of where we’re
ending up with this whole
talk is being rich is
actually bad for everything.
So step three, abuse your
business partners to create
value for themselves and
then step four is slowly die.
The bigger the company gets before it hits on
that final sort of downward spiral, the longer it
takes to die. Facebook being an example. It was
so big. It’s still around. It hasn’t died yet.
But I don’t think anyone
considers Facebook a
viable platform for any
sort of serious endeavor.
If you are going to start, you want to be famous, you want to create
content, you want to do a new business. You wouldn’t be like Facebook
is where it’s at. Unless you are like targeting, I can honestly
older people who just never understood that you can leave Facebook.
I am a 12 year Reddit user. I am actively
looking for an alternative. I would enjoy.
That’s not a common attitude. Someone who’s
invested sort of the time investment fallacy.
The idea is that like when you go to buy a car,
they try to keep you there for as long as possible
because the longer you spend doing something,
the more you actually want it to be valuable.
They will give you a shitty deal. You have been
there for three hours. You will take that deal
so you don’t feel like you waste your time. You
should always get up and walk out at least once.
If you are going to buy a car, take
the deal and be like, “Oh, there is the
tricks.” I don’t know why I am talking
about car dealerships all of them.
The guy gives you a deal. He says,
“I am going to go talk to my manager. I
am sorry I only have five minutes.”
He goes, “Yeah, only take five minutes.”
It is giving three minutes to get up and just start
walking away. See how quickly he comes back. If he
loses the paperwork and has to do it again, I don’t
want to buy a car from someone who loses the paperwork.
See how quickly he finds that
paperwork. It is all tricks to get
you invested in a bad deal so
you are less willing to examine it.
I have been at Reddit for 12
years. It would be so easy to just
maintain the status quo. Stay
ahead Reddit for another 12 years.
Despite how bad it gets, just make excuses
to myself. But I value my time. So the
instant that starts to happen, I start looking
for alternatives. Not everyone does that.
You might be like,
“Well, Facebook, Reddit,
they are so big. They
are never going to die.”
Do you remember Dig? The IGG. Dig was a competitor to
Reddit back in the day. It was in the exact same position.
It was actually in the dominant position for a while.
Barely anyone remembers Dig anymore. It was a long time ago.
If you were young, you would never
have heard of it. It is sort of along the
same lines as 9G. There used to be basically
the 3 websites, 9G. Dig and Reddit.
They were actually all
competing against each other
to be the dominant one.
Reddit kind of came out ahead.
My space, similar trajectory.
It got bought. It became
big, advertising stuff.
Then it collapsed in on itself.
Like I said, Facebook is
still around only because it
is going to take longer for
an entity that large to die.
When I think about
Facebook, what are they doing
recently? They were in
competition with Instagram.
Zuckerberg actually said it
is better to buy than compete.
They bought Instagram and
they just try to make that.
Now, Instagram is struggling
to compete against its
main competitors, which
is TikTok and other stuff.
They are all mimicking each other
instead of competing. Meta is coming
out with VR stuff. If it comes out
from meta, I don’t even pay attention.
That is meta, Facebook has
become such a secondary entity in the
world of technology that I’m
going to take it seriously anymore.
I have a Facebook account. I
don’t check it. People have sent me
messages. It has been months before
I have actually responded to messages.
I have a Facebook account for
an international campaign. I hate
using it. This absolutely despises
everything about Facebook.
I never really wanted to join the first
place. My friends were all like, everyone
has a Facebook account. You join so
we can talk and stuff. Never got into it.
Now, in a situation where we
have Instagram versus TikTok versus
YouTube, they are all trying to
find the edge and mimic each other.
TikTok is starting extending its play
times to compete with YouTube. It has just
offered me, I think, the 20 minute Mark,
which is a full podcast most of the time.
YouTube created shorts, which is
just TikTok, Instagram created reels,
which is just TikTok. They are all
trying to compete with each other.
They are all trying to compete
for the advertising that comes with
those things, but they are all
going through a similar process.
This is the inshidification of all of them. Instead of being
true to themselves and their identity and what they do and
what they brought to the people who are their initial users,
they are now like we need to compete for advertising dollars.
I actually think if YouTube, TikTok had
stuck to what it was originally, short form
30 second, one minute videos or whatever,
it would have maintained what it was.
It would actually again be delivering stuff
to users. I am noticing there is more ads
when I go on Instagram reels and stuff, there
is more ads, and then the YouTube algorithm.
It is just the real is not interesting to
me. The biggest problem they have is
they can’t roll back. First of all, you
would have to admit you made a mistake.
Reddit would have to say it
was a mistake for us to take
away the API. We are just
going to leave it the way it is.
We are going to roll things back
with less advertising and make
it better for users, which are
deliver a better user experience.
That would lose the money. The
admitting a mistake is almost impossible
for these corporations to do. You
can never admit you made a mistake.
Then secondary is money
is now the primary focus. It is
not serving the users of the
platform. That is capitalism.
I said Facebook instead of competing against Instagram,
just bought Instagram. That is not competition. Capitalism
as a philosophy is based on competition. It says the
market will balance itself. New competitors will come in.
It is just the modern version
of capitalism is almost based on
behemoths becoming monopolies
in everything but actual existence.
There are other companies that
will compete against Amazon but
they are not competition. There
are telecommms in North America.
There is like two. One for
East Coast, one for West
Coast. They don’t actually
compete with each other.
These companies want a monopoly.
They claim to be capitalists but they
actually want a monopoly. They don’t
want to compete with other companies.
They will just buy out other companies.
Right now we have the EA. It is Microsoft.
I think the EA is the
only game in video game,
technology and games and
exclusives and stuff like that.
Which is anti-capitalist. But it is
because they want to get all the
money. The only way to get all the
money is to be the only game in town.
But then you are now not
actually talking about capitalism
anymore. That is part of
the adjudification process.
Billionaires espouse the glory of
capitalism because they become billionaires
but then do everything they can to not
actually partake or compete in capitalism.
That is something that
people need to think about.
Mark Zuckerberg and
Elon Musk recently. This
is just getting into
the secondary issue.
They started a beef.
So basically Facebook has announced
it is going to make a Twitter clone.
So again, we are not going to
do something original and not our
idea. Twitter is in trouble
because Elon Musk has taken over.
We are going to make our
own Twitter and everyone
is going to love it. I
barely even pay attention.
I didn’t find out about the meta-tutor
clone until this morning when I was
actually checking that I got all my
information about Zuckerberg and Elon Musk.
Elon Musk obviously heard
about this. Started doing what he
does on Twitter. So it is
childish insults. That kind of stuff.
He said, “I will take you all fight
you because he is five years old.”
Zuckerberg, who has been studying
Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, said like location.
He put a big stupid picture on
the Internet. He is a tough guy.
And then Musk agreed.
So I feel like society
or civilizations come
full circle because we
used to fight to survive.
We used to fight other tribes
and stuff to survive. It was
very important for men to
be strong and fight each other.
For survival. Then we had civilization
and we tried to pull it back a notch.
And now we have gone so far the other way. We have actually
come all around full circle where the upper strata of
society, the billionaires of this world, now feel like it is
perfectly acceptable to fight each other to prove something.
I guess to prove their men. I actually have
a secondary thought that once you become in
sort of the billionaire class, you actually
get this idea that nothing can ever hurt you.
So saying I will fight you. Part of your
brain goes, but I will never get hurt, nothing
bad will ever happen to me because you are
so insulated from the rest of the world.
I did actually want to look into
the seriousness, the nature of this
match. What would it look like? So
Musk is 51 years old, same age as me.
He’s had no training that I
know of. He’s 6’1″, so he’s 1″
taller than me, and he weighs
200 pounds, weighs about the same.
He is essentially a cruiserweight.
He’s a big boy. So being a
big boy means you come with a
certain amount of inherent power.
Zuckerberg, he’s 39, so he’s got used,
he’s got a little… but again, I think
once we get to 41, the differences are
there, but it’s not going to be significant.
He has been studying
B.J. Jane, he’s actually
pretty good. He did a
Silicon Valley tournament.
He got gold and silver in two categories.
He was fighting featherweight.
Featherweight is 126 pounds, it’s like
56 kilos maybe. So you have Musk who is
90 kilos plus fighting a guy who is
57 kilos, basically two thirds his mass.
Cage matches are going to
start standing. So again, I was
trying to take this seriously.
Who would actually win?
Because everyone’s like
Zuckerberg, Zuckerberg, Zuckerberg,
because he’s actually training,
he’s actually doing this stuff.
But he’s a tiny, tiny man,
and he might be good, but
if you’re good in B.J. Jane,
you’re good on the ground.
Now I’m thinking Musk’s only chances don’t go to the
ground. So when Zuckerberg rushes up to him, he’s going
to go for like a leg, like a tackle basically, and try
to get him to the ground so he can’t actually wrestle.
If that is successful, Zuckerberg
wins. If Elon Musk throws big
haymakers, because you got to
remember, Zuckerberg is trained in B.J.
He’s not trained in boxing.
He has no defense. It’s like
I’ve been doing Judo for 40
years. I have never done boxing.
You put me in a boxing ring.
I’m done in seconds. Like an
actual boxer would take me
down so fast it would be ridiculous.
You put a boxer into a Judo suit.
I would take him down in seconds.
It’s not like diminishing the
value of any of the martial arts.
But what you have is the fight
start standing up. You have two
untrained fighters in standing
fighting. It’s going to look ridiculous.
Zuckerberg has one
opportunity, and that’s get
Elon Musk on his ass
as quickly as possible.
Now, because Elon Musk,
I’m assuming, is out of shape in
all aspects, because I’ve
seen his body without a shirt on.
I bet it would actually be pretty good. I bet
Zuckerberg could run around the back, just
grab him and kick his ankles, or kick him
in the back knees, or push him really hard.
And he would fall down. But Musk would have
one chance. If he could hit Zuckerberg once
with it with just a wild shot, I bet he would
put Zuckerberg down right there and then.
So it’s very hard. If I was a betting
man, I would still put my money
on Zuckerberg, but not as
confidently as everyone else was talking.
Because BJJ has a very good reputation now.
And again, I think that is earned.
But I think people misunderstand
how BJJ starts standing to groundwork.
And there’s every sport has rules.
And once you work outside those rules,
you are essentially untrained again
until you relearn what you’re doing.
They would have a training
period. My understanding is that Elon
Musk’s mother has been
posting online that the fight is off.
That she’s convinced Musk not to
do it, something like that. There’s been
a lot of jokes about Elon Musk’s
mommy. He says he’s not allowed to fight.
He’s not allowed to play rough
with the other billionaires. Dana
White is, I think, president if you
have to see something like that.
He says, okay, it was so offensive
to me. He said, this would be
a massive fight. It would be one
of the biggest fights in history.
It would be an amazing
thing we could do.
Imagine the money we
would make for charity.
Now, if you took out the
four charity part, I think
he’s being honest. Imagine
the money we would make.
How much? What percentage
of that’s going to go to
charity? Nothing. I did
see someone else posted.
We’re in a society where the
Roth child or something took
their vast fortune to build
libraries and schools and stuff.
Now, we have two of the richest men
in the world want to do a cage match.
They’ve taken their vast fortunes and
they’re fighting like basically children.
Which is ridiculous. Now, I, of
course, wanted to see them beat
the crap out of each other and I
would love to see them get hurt.
Which takes me to the
final point of this weird, weird
podcast topic, the
inshidification of all of society.
Why is there no empathy for these men?
These billionaires specifically.
Because last week, we
had the submarine that
imploded with a group
of billionaires on board.
And the Internet went wild
with incredibly cruel jokes.
Now, I laughed along with
everyone else about how awful it was.
I saw some of the videos about inside
and there was like, it’s carbon fiber.
And again, I don’t know enough
about material sciences. I know
enough about carbon fire
that you don’t drill a hole in it.
To mount some of the
screens. So, if you drill a hole into
carbon fiber, you’re basically
weakening the entire structure.
Now, I know that’s not probably what crushed
the whole thing. But it’s irrelevant.
I know if I, as a complete
amateur, can recognize a mistake.
Then anyone else with
actual study or knowledge
should have seen how
that was going to be.
And then we heard about the guy saying,
oh, you know, this is an unsafe craft.
We can’t sail it in the
ocean. People are going to die.
The president of that submarine
company says, you’re fired.
And then a week later, it implodes with him
on board. Again, no sympathy and empathy.
Why is that a thing? And
I was looking around to
actually see why do
people not feel any empathy?
Because this is a human being
died. Everyone had a moment
when they found out there
was a 19 year old kid on board.
Now, he is the son of a
billionaire. But a 19 year
old kid hasn’t technically
done that much wrong.
Of course, he maybe
has. But we’re like, he’s not
the problem. The
billionaires are the problem.
And we feel no empathy for them. So I
actually looked into empathy a little bit.
And the thing that I found
out is that empathy is not a
function of an individual,
which I was very surprised by.
I’ve always thought that empathy would
have been like, it’s something I feel.
Empathy is a function of society and
community. So it’s about relationships.
So when I’m online, I’m trying to
think of things that make me cry.
Dogs. So we got Dave in the corner.
And I see these dogs being rescued.
And I will feel myself tear up.
I have a great amount of empathy.
But it’s because of my deep connection
that stupid looking dog in the corner.
As a society, as a
community, as a group, you
have empathy for
people you can relate to.
So I relate to those Facebook
videos of dogs being rescued.
And it makes me almost cry because I have
this deep connection to the dogs I had when
I was a kid, to the dog I have now that I
spent a huge amount of time taking care of.
I mean, you can see we spend all
our time together when I’m at home.
And that extends to my
coworkers, my friends.
There are people I
understand and I care about.
That is where empathy
comes from. The nature of a
billionaire is that they
immediately create stratification.
And they try to separate themselves
from society, community at large.
So the empathy, society
at large has for people
who separated themselves,
goes down dramatically.
And this was very kind of
revealing to once you separated
yourself from society,
knowing that people are not
a society, no one
gives a shit if you die. I
bet other billionaires
were very upset by this.
But of course, their voice isn’t as big
as a billion people making jokes on Reddit.
So that disconnect they create
by trying to say I’m rich, so
I’m a higher class person,
you’re poor, so you’re lower class.
Is why no one feels any empathy
for these billionaires dying.
Now, for me, I think the primary problem
was actually he wasn’t listening to anyone.
So this billionaire,
there’s another problem
with billionaires as sort
of a class or a group.
They’ve gotten so used to being right.
It’s almost like pop star syndrome where
everyone tells you you’re great, you’re
amazing, you’re great, you’re amazing.
That’s really bad for you because
then you start to think you’re
really great and amazing and
really smart and you know everything.
Where you may have specific knowledge, you don’t know
everything. So you see pop stars and they’ll give political
commentary and it’s just so confused and weird and it’s
because they know pop music, they don’t know politics.
They know A, they know B. So it’s like I, what do I know about well,
I could talk quite in depth about the cage match they were doing,
but because no one has spent the entirety of my life telling me I’m
really good, I’m really smart, I’m really good, I’m really smart.
I don’t think I know everything. Anyways, billionaires are shit.
I think that might be the conclusion. It’s the separation and then
because everyone around them is sort of yes men, they get into pop
star syndrome where they think they know everything, but they don’t.
So they won’t admit they’ve made a mistake very much like I’m
talking about Reddit at the beginning of the podcast. They
can’t admit they’ve made a mistake, they can’t roll anything
back, they have to forge forward with what they’re doing.
There was a set of emails I saw released about the submarine thing and
the set of emails basically said look I’m not 100% confident in this
and the guys like I actually find that offensive that you think this
isn’t safe and the guys like I did some research this doesn’t seem safe.
Therefore I don’t want to ride your crazy death trap and the guys like I find that offensive not factually
argumentative I don’t have anything I can say to you personally to change your mind. I’m personally offended and that
was supposed to mean something. You should risk your life in this thing you think may or may not kill you because
you don’t want me to be offended because that’s more important than your life and that is the underlying message.
So this in billionaires and
the stratification of society
is primarily to me the in
certification of all things.
So it’s how do we get back from that well there is no simple
answer because now society is set up to keep this going in the
people the billionaires who do have a great deal of power they
want to keep a boy going because that’s how they stay billionaires.
So honestly I don’t have an answer but when you see a service like
Reddit and it goes through a blackout everyone should quit Reddit and it
would collapse and everyone should quit Twitter and it would collapse
and then the Internet could go back to being sort of a freer entity.
Yes, we would have to find things it would be harder
search engines might not be better. We won’t use
Google anymore will have to use a new search engine
that’s actually better and working towards users.
But if you’re aware of and shitification
and the reality of the user actually
has all the power because as soon as
you stop using it all that power goes away.
My space is basically gone because no one
uses anymore if everyone would just drop
Facebook it would be gone tomorrow if everyone
dropped Reddit it would be gone tomorrow.
And then something else two or three services
would spring up and try to take their place and
then we would be back to actual capitalism actual
competition and things might actually improve.
So that was a little experiment I have been
struggling to come up with original ideas.
Don’t say sorry I want people
to do stuff I again this isn’t me
complaining about you this is
me complaining about my inability.
The mistake they made was
making an end date in the protest.
Ah this is it the end date was people are saying
that I actually disagree I think that’s irrelevant if
what they needed was when they said we’re going to
remove the mods all the mods on mass should have quit.
Should be like fine go ahead a completely
unmoderated Reddit would collapse in hours.
I mean honestly hours there
would be an influx of all really gross
shit there would be an influx of
all these kind of things happening.
They would have no control over it they wouldn’t have the staff
to keep the website under control because of the nature of
Reddit if there is no modification exactly what I said though for
John is what it would become and no advertiser would touch it.
They’re already running it a deficit
they already run it dead so if they’re
already running it dead that would
collapse as soon as all the users left.
A long time ago I did the same thing I was talking about
the monopolies and stuff of Internet users in America and
like there’s basically you move to an area there’s really
only one Internet provider and it’s always stupid expensive.
If you could organize the people in that region to all quit on
the same day and I mean actually quit on the same day and you
would have to go two weeks without Internet let’s say I bet those
prices would get super fucking reasonable super fucking quick.
The problem is the organization never happens and like
these mods they’re committed to what they’re doing
so that doesn’t happen and that’s that’s to me where
the problems arise is because people are disorganized.
But if the mods of Reddit would all quit today you would either have
no Reddit or a way better Reddit tomorrow. It was a bit messier than I
wanted but that was essentially three or four points from the news media
that I put together into kind of a structure and try to talk about it.
It’s not a bad idea I think I
can smooth it out essentially
was three ideas it was
the insitification of Reddit.
The cage match in billionaires
and then why no one had empathy
so those are my three concepts
that I wanted to put in there.