We’re turning it into a very lad -oriented podcast.
Oi, oi.
Oi, oi.
When did Oi, oi become the lad?
Cool.
See, the thing is, I have never lived in the UK,
and so I heard that from comedians.
It’s pretty old, because the guys I listened to,
the British comedians I would have listened to,
would have been, like, when I heard them,
it was already quite old.
So I’m thinking it would have been, like,
late 90s, early 2000s.
You’re not walking around the UK hearing that sound,
from my experience, but…
No, but it seems like when people talk about it,
they make that noise.
It’s a bit mythical.
Mythical lad sound.
It’s very possible that no one’s ever gone oi, oi in their life,
and it’s just something that’s stuck.
Like one of those mental effects.
We all imagine them saying it, but they never actually did.
Do you have any of those in your life?
The most famous one for me is the Berenstain Bears,
and I actually now do not know how to spell it,
because I know it’s spelled one way,
but mythically is a different one.
That’s all I know about, because it’s from the internet,
but I’ve never grown up with those books in the UK.
I can’t think of a single one.
Because it is the Mandela effect.
Yeah.
And so what is it about Nelson Mandela?
I actually forget.
I think the actual fact was that Nelson Mandela died in prison,
which he did not.
Oh, okay.
I knew he didn’t think.
I think that was the effect that people believe is true.
I might be immune to that,
because I was still alive when he got out of prison,
so it was really big news.
Oh, okay.
So I bet it’s post that event.
People just think he died in prison.
Yeah, I didn’t.
I had no exposure to the events of that,
so I don’t know.
I can’t really appreciate the…
Well, that’s what I mean.
If you were born or at an age where news wasn’t getting to you,
not knowing that makes perfect sense.
I know at work,
I deal with people who are way younger than me,
and some of my coworkers who are older as well,
they can’t accept that these young people
don’t know some stuff that they know,
and then in my head I’m like,
yeah, but you’re talking about a movie
that was like 20 years before they were born.
Why would they know that?
No, yeah, that’s a good point.
And so I always do.
There are maybe staples.
Yeah, but even so,
when in your life,
how far back do you go before you were born
to assume something is still relevant?
If it’s a couple of years before you were born,
I’m like, there’s actually no reason
for someone to go back to that.
It might get pushed into their culture,
because in America,
they watch a movie every year at Christmas.
It’s a wonderful life.
So there is a chance people have seen that,
but now with TV falling to the wayside,
I actually assume that they’re not even
going to watch that anymore.
I don’t think anyone below my generation,
I wouldn’t assume that they’ve watched anything
because I’m more likely to assume
that they’ve seen a meme on TikTok,
the movie that’s well known.
Yeah, so what happened in the last group,
we did intake and I’m 53
and the youngest guy was 22.
And he and I shared more in common
because we both were clearly into the internet,
like deep into it.
So I made jokes.
He’s the only one who got some of my jokes.
And I thought that was really weird
because the guys were like 25 or 30.
They weren’t getting it
because they weren’t in the same little area
of the internet.
The internet moves fast as well.
So those three years make a big difference.
Well, I’m using the internet now
to try to maintain a certain level of relevance
so that I can communicate with people.
So like I know what they’re talking about and stuff.
Like when the first time I did it on purpose
is when Twilight got really popular.
And I was like,
well, I know this isn’t for me,
but I’m going to watch it
so that when people talk about Twilight,
I know what they’re talking about.
Like 10 minutes in,
I’m like,
I am not the target demographic for this film.
But I could at least admit like,
no, I don’t think they were going for,
again, I said that time I was probably in my 40s.
They’re not going for 40 year old men
who can mentally put themselves
in the mindset of a high school girl
who’s in love with a vampire.
I guess I could have maybe felt like the vampire.
The old creepy,
the 100 year old dude creeping on a high school girl.
That makes more sense.
Well, maybe they were intending for you, Peter,
to kind of relate to the dad.
He’s kind of worried about.
He’s useless though.
He’s like,
the Edward is clearly,
something’s going on
and the dad didn’t check it out
and he’s against the relationship.
Nah, man, he was useless.
He’s a sheriff.
Yeah, cops are useless.
Oh yeah.
We just turned into an anti -cop.
Well, we’ve got to talk about the topics that matter.
So, oh, should I do an intro?
I should do an intro.
This is the problem
is we start talking
and start having a good time
and then I don’t actually do an intro.
Enter the mind of the academy
Chalk my big chest
Where the best is a philosophy
Drinking at lunch
Brings verbal skills
Like a sucker punch
Woke up to CMRB
Yeah, yeah
CMRB
Yeah, yeah
CMRB
Yeah, yeah
CMRB
Yeah, yeah
Are you recording right now?
I start recording
basically as soon as we start talking
because then I could
I have a choice
I could play like a little pre -bit
and then the intro song
and then the podcast
or I could take the stuff we talk about
and then like move it to the middle or the back
I can do some editing
Okay
Oh, we should
one day
we should
we should stage a big fight
and we’re going to have
we’re going to fall out
we’re going to get
person and call each other names
and then clip that as the intro
and then just never get to that point
at all in the podcast
That’s a really good idea
I actually think
fake beef is very funny
Like I think
I think if you could
if I was famous
I would like
I would say shit about other famous people
who I’ve never met
Be like, yeah, yeah
that guy
that guy borrowed 50 bucks off me
and never paid it back
he’s a piece of shit
I never be like
oh my god
why
and they go to this other like
famous singer or something
and go like
why did you not pay back the $50
it’s just $50
he’d be like
I don’t know what the fuck
you’re talking about
I’m like
that’s what he always says
I don’t know what you’re talking about
I can see some people
doing that really well
and then other people
getting a seasoned assist
on you or something
There was
there was
The ones who will
will get it
and they’ll
carry along with it
There was a British actor
I saw a clip of him
the other day
I can’t remember his name
but he basically
didn’t like doing interviews
so he just lied
like he just said
whatever he wanted to say
in the moment
and he’s just like
well because
what matters
and he played
he played the role
of a gay dude
in a movie
and then the interviewer
is like
well was it difficult
for you to get into the role
he’s like
no because I’m gay
and he’s not
I was just like
oh that’s actually
really cool
Who knows that thing?
I don’t know
he was pretty old
and the clip I saw
was actually pretty old
as well
but he was just saying
like I hate interviews
they ask the dumbest questions
so I just say
whatever pops into my head
and you can tell
he’s like
because it doesn’t matter
this is a clip
of Michael Gambon’s
interview from Top Gear
to be honest
you are actually
quite famous
aren’t you
for making stuff up
in interviews
stories
yeah
well you have to
because I hate interviews
oh god sorry
well I do
I mean it’s awful
I just tell lies
so if someone
I know you did once
tell an interviewer
you were a member
of the Royal Ballet
yeah I said
that was a valid answer
at the Royal Ballet
what are you laughing at?
and he said
why did you give it up?
I said I fell off the stage
at the opera house
and went through
a kettle drum
then you told someone else
you were gay
yes
I said I was gay
the man said
you played Oscar
I played Oscar Wilde
he said
did you find that difficult?
I said no I didn’t
he said
what about the homosexuality?
so that annoyed me
you know
and I said
well I found that
very easy
because I used to be
a homosexual
and he was so thick
you know
he said
I said
but I was forced
to give it up
and then he asked
the question
he said
oh why was that?
why was that?
I said
because it made
my eyes water
and I thought
I thought he’d laugh
but he didn’t
he wrote it down
well that’s right
and if the purpose
of the interview
is to be entertaining
then
that’s entertaining
because if
is the point
of the interview
to get information
or to be entertaining
when you’re talking
to someone
who essentially
is not important
they’re just famous
they’re in a movie
promoting their movie
does anyone give a shit
if what you’re saying
is accurate?
yeah I think
entertainment
would actually
take a priority
I’d say
as long as
you’re not lying
explicitly about
the movie
as long as
the interview
drives people
to watch that movie
then everything
you say is fine
alright so
next time
we’ll do an interview
with you
and you can just
make up all your answers
you’ll be pretending
to promote a movie
and we’ll promote
the new Spider -Man movie
that you’re in
absolutely
which I definitely
am in
yeah
you would be
I think you’d be
a good Spider -Man
well
I couldn’t perform
any stunts
well they have stuntmen
and I wouldn’t look good
in a bodysuit
unless it was like a
you say that
added muscle bodysuit
they can do that
but I think
I think
essentially
if you’re going to
be a Spider -Man
you get like a
three month run up to it
where they would do
some training
so you would get
to your workout
and you would look good
like we can always say
there’s always a
base looking good
and then they can put
the muscle suit
on top of that base
I think you’d be
a great Spider -Man
I’m putting you up
for the next Spider -Man
like that’s the case
thank you very much
of all the superheroes
I do like Spider -Man
I’m not really into
superheroes
but I love
I love Spider -Man
and I love X -Men
I have never gotten
into X -Men
I think
I’d never read the comics
when I was a kid
and then
when I grew up
I started watching
the movies
and the movies
were not very good
and there was one
I think it was the third one
where there’s like
these big robots
that kill all the X -Men
and I thought
that was the best part
why didn’t you like
the movies?
they weren’t very good
I just
I think
I think when they have
a massive ensemble
cast
you don’t
form a connection
to any
any one of them
so if you didn’t
already know those characters
you did not give a shit
about those characters
I gave a shit
about the characters Peter
but you already knew them right?
you just said
you were already
into the X -Men
so that’s my point
like
no I wasn’t already
into that
I’m just
no no no
I said
I was into them
like from the movies
oh from the movies
which X -Men
did you like?
oh I loved
Mystique and Storm
I do like them as well
yeah
I mean but that’s just
because I would
like to do them
yeah
that’s why I’m going
yeah
I mean that’s
I think
it would be really fun
yeah
my base
for liking them
is pretty
fundamental
I don’t know
that’s it
yeah one track
speaking of Mystique
if you know
she’d probably be
the best partner
to have
because
by dating Mystique
you’re dating everyone
everyone that she can see
she’s transforming to
which actually
as I’m saying it
is very problematic
because
that’s
taking
the image of somebody
without letting them know
which
I do not endorse
well in the bedroom
in the bedroom
it would just count as like
dressing up or cosplay or something
but I
I would
I wonder if Mystique
would have an issue with it
where you’re like
hey could you be this tonight
so it’s
do you like Mystique
or do you like
that you can have the variety
I think there would always be that doubt
absolutely
because the scene
the scene
she’s in the bed
and she’s changing into
sexy ladies for some guy
I remember this scene really well
and he’s like
no no I want you
and then she changes into her
like blue form
and he’s like perfect
and I was like
oh there you go
that’s the right guy
that’s awesome yeah
I did like that part
he was like
I don’t
I don’t want
the fake stuff
you’re putting out there
for the world
I want you
I was like
oh
nice
I don’t remember
if he was a good guy or not
well
he was
nice and
sensitive to her needs
and her feelings
in that moment anyway
so
who was your favourite
ex -person
because you named two
but that’s not
if you had to pick one
I really
I really like
what’s his face
I think he’s called Angel
ah yes
yes
he’s one of the
huge wings
yeah
it’s not a skill I would like
if I was one of the
mutants
I wouldn’t
I wouldn’t choose that one
over anything else
but I just like his story
how you get flashbacks of it
I don’t remember him being
a major character in the movies
that I watched
but
you had flashbacks of him
trying to clip his own wings
in the toilet
as a kid
because
he was
being bullied for
or something like that
and then
his dad thought
he was a monster
but then he ends up
saving his dad
using the power
that is that always
kind of
denied
and so
yeah
that was just a nice
little story arc
very predictable story arc
it was
I think it was in
one of the movies
where the dad is like
in a company
that’s creating a drug
that will repress
the mutant gene
and then
he wants to give it
to his son
and his son decides
he doesn’t want it
but do you think
the son has
hollow bones
because birds have hollow bones
to keep them light enough
to fly
so he must have hollow bones
which would make him
very fragile
well
scientifically speaking
yeah he must do
but yeah
he can’t really fight
that way
especially when
there’s these
superpower
strength mutants
they’re obliterating
wouldn’t they
yeah
no I
I always wondered
like
how much thought
they put into it
because he looks awesome
big hunky dude
blonde hair
big wings
I understand
but did anyone
take any time
to go like
but
you know
for him to be able to fly
he has to be
essentially very fragile
or super fast
I guess if he could be
super fast
no one could hit him
but you hit him once
he’d probably die
no that’s right
it would be like
punching a pigeon
and if you’ve ever
punched a pigeon
it’s super fun
let us know
in the comments
if you have punched a pigeon
let us know
send an email
to chunklebeefchest
at gmail .com
or speakpipe .com
slash chunklebeefchest
if you’ve punched a pigeon
or if there are any pigeons
listening
have you been punched
by a human
have you heard of
cuteness aggression
no
oh
cuteness aggression
is the
I think mostly
harmless
effect we have
in our brains
if we see something cute
it brings out
some kind of
very light
aggressive impulse
that’s
you squeeze
cute things
or we say
oh
do you know
do you know what I mean
you see something cute
maybe you clench your fist
a little bit
or you squeeze
your dog a little
maybe a little tight
then the dog
wouldn’t like you to
if you’ve ever experienced
that it’s called
cute aggression
I probably shouldn’t
put this
out in the world
but yeah
like if
cute girls
I like to like
push them around
wow
there’s tiny Japanese girls
like they’re adults
but they’re like tiny
and I like to like
shove them a little bit
well
you should stop that
yeah no
I
it’s an instinct
that I
I absolutely put effort
into repressing
but if like
I have a friend
who’s tiny
yeah like
picking them up
and throwing them around
and stuff
yeah it’s really satisfying
that is
oh god
that is
that’s gross
now that I say it
well that was
in the comments
if Peter’s ever
pushed you around
it’s not gonna be comments
it’s gonna be
a class action lawsuit
we found out
there’s 50 of us
we can sue them
and get a ton of money
except he’s poor
so we’re not getting
any money
we’re gonna take away
his 30 ,000 yen microphone
that makes his voice
sound better
30 ,000
crikey
well it
that’s why you say
okay
so this microphone
it’s the Shure microphone
and it’s because
podcasting and recording stuff
and making stuff
for the internet
it’s a hobby
so this is the
one of the few things
I put money into
because I’d bought
a really cheap one
to see if I was gonna do it
and then I bought a better one
and then I was like
I might as well
buy a good one
and just leave it at that
but when I got it
and plugged it into the computer
it had settings
and it had
make your voice
like
radio friendly
and then deeper
and softer
and then a little higher pitch
for more excitement
like the microphone
will focus in on
tones in your voice
wow
so I think
I’ve got it on
sexy sultry
I see
so that’s why it sounds
different and or better
than when we were talking
on the phone
you definitely have it
on sexy sultry
yeah where it’s like
on the phone
it’s really high pitched
and squeaky
and awful
you must have set mine
to
I don’t know
little girl
at school
voice
because that’s what I sound like
have you ever
actively tried to change
your voice
kind of for social reasons
or what not
I
okay
I used to laugh
a lot
and
I had sort of
a high pitch laugh
and it still happens
but I was
in high school
I was at my girlfriend’s
play
watching it
it was a
it was a funny thing
it was like a pantomime
almost
and so I laughed a lot
and they had recorded
the play
and then all the people
in the play
started making fun
of my laugh
and I basically
stopped laughing
after that
is that tragic
yeah it’s tragic
that’s tragic
so my girlfriend
thought this was very funny
haha
all my friends
were making fun
of your laugh
and then I don’t know
like I just stopped
laughing after that
so I laugh a lot less
than I did
when I was young
oh
that’s awful
it’s okay
laughing is involuntary
no one chooses it
I would never make fun
of someone’s laugh
because
then what
they’re gonna do
stop laughing
like you’ve just said
yep
oh
it’s alright
I don’t mind
I only cry a little
a bit at night
get over it
yep
no I already have
okay so last time
last time
you told me
a story
about the leaf
and I have been
obsessed with this story
since we spoke
this
so
okay
imagine
imagine this
okay so it’s
you go to the movies
and you sit down
and it’s black screen
it fades in
and you have
gentle
English village
sort of
maybe
a crane shot
sweeping over the village
to show that it’s
sort of quiet
and calm
and then there’s
sort of a gust of wind
and maybe a few leaves
not
it’s because it’s not
a dirty town
so there’s a few leaves
rustle through
and then it
the camera pans down
to a road
and there’s
a boy
in his school uniform
short pants
and he’s not skipping
but he’s
he’s walking
with a jaunt
and then
as he walks down
the street
he’s maybe even
humming a little
English song
like English rose
or something
and then
he gets to the corner
and then he turns
and suddenly
the giant black habit
of a nun
is looming over him
now I haven’t decided
if it should be
like a beautiful
porcelain face
to contrast the habit
or like an old
wizened face
to make it seem
more witch like
so that would be
something we need
to like maybe
test with audiences
yeah
she
she looks down
at the little boy
and reaches out
her hand
and he puts
just instinctively
because she’s a nun
puts his hand in hers
and she takes the leaf out
she puts it in
and then
she pushes it
and he sort of feels
that there’s that hard bit
in the middle
so he touches it
with his thumb
and it pierces his thumb
and a little drop of blood
goes into it
and then the blood
gets sucked into the leaf
which turns
sort of a different color
and then
I’m trying to get it
to decide
either it turns to ash
and blows away
or it absorbs
into his hand
and then
the nun disappears
I know
I know
like I’ve taken the story
you told me
and I’ve just like
I’ve started building
a mythology around it
you have
I also worked
in a joke
I also worked in a joke
if you want
so she puts it in his hand
and she goes
you’re gay now
and that’s how
young boys become
gay men
but
it is a choice
but it’s not our choice
it’s the nun’s choice
I didn’t want to make
that joke at first
but I was like
oh that’d actually be funny
if the curse
was actually just
you’re now
a gay boy
but
every aspect
of that story
is the beginning
of a horror movie
to me
and like you told it
it was almost innocent
well that’s
because I was experiencing it
I didn’t think anything of it
but as an outsider
when you
when you kind of
not this instance
where it’s all dramatic
but in the last
last conversation
you did say
how weird it was
and I kind of
yeah
I think you’re right
you see it now though
yeah
I do
I do
and then if we put
like it was all
sort of gentle
harmonious music
little
not even upbeat
but just you know
gentle and
pipes and stuff
for the English countryside
and then when the nun
puts the leaf in your hand
it gets into like
trilling
trilling violins
like
yeah
yes
I know exactly
what you mean
yeah
it’s a horror movie
from that point on
you said
she kind of whispered
you’re gay now
however
the audience
having previously seen
the jauntily way
I was walking
thinking
yeah we know
especially if I am skipping
well
it was
it was just one of those things
where I was like
there’s a joke in there
I don’t know if it’s okay
for me to make her nuts
I don’t know if I should
but it was just
the idea of the voice
it was just the really gentle
really quiet
you’re gay now
would just be really
really funny
but then
but then
it is the point
the only decision
left to be made
is
does the boy
become the horror
or is it like a curse
and all the horror things
happen to the boy
so I haven’t
that would be the next part
because then events
have to start occurring
in more increasing
you know
seriousness
exactly yes
and also
that would also
answer your question
of either being absorbed
into the skin
or being blown away
as ash
because if it was
happening from within me
then I should absorb it
yes
if it was happening
to me
it should be the ash
the ash
yeah it goes out
into the air
and the atmosphere
around you
yeah
yeah no that’s right
that’s pretty good
that’s great
okay
actually I had
an idea
to talk about
that this kind of
brings into
because you’ve kind of
reshaped
and reframed
my memory
of this story now
and actually
I think
now that you say it
that’s when I
I did
become gay
yeah
that was
the exact point
but
I would love
I would love
if I
because I only have
a few gay friends
because I
you can only have
so many friends
in Japan
but like
I thought you were
going to say
if you can only
deal with so much
gay people
okay so
I have
I have
one of my friends
who’s gay
we
spend a lot of time
online together
so he’s sending
memes
he has
so harshly
altered my
algorithm
that every
company that
collects that
information thinks
I’m gay
because he’s
always sending
me like
buff dudes
flexing their
butt in a
bikini
in the camera
he’s sending
me like
and I like
watching it
I’m just not
into it for
the same reasons
I’m always just
like oh that’s
fascinating
as an outsider
but
companies must
think I’m
closeted
they must
do
yeah
maybe
anyway
sorry
do the
companies
think you’re
a top
or a bottom
that’s what
I want to
know
oh you’ve
opened a
door you
maybe shouldn’t
have opened
so I have
this as again
as an outsider
is it
acceptable
for me
in a
conversation
to ask
if you’re
a top
or bottom
when I’m
not
trying to
participate
so just
as a query
of interest
because I’m
interested in
you
so I don’t
want it to
sound malicious
but like
let’s say
you and I
are just
talking
and I
find out
you’re
gay
and I’m
not gay
and I just
go are you
a top
or a bottom
is that
rude or not
I’d say
if we don’t
know each
other so much
or haven’t
had a rapport
established
it does get
my back up
because
I’ve been
asked that
before
by
I was once
introduced
to the
friend
of a
very good
friend
of mine
so the
very good
friend
he can
say
whatever
he wants
I’m
fine
but his
friends
I think
especially
in England
I’m
very easily
clockable
as gay
so they
kind of
picked up
on that
and then
they asked
kind of
sheepishly
are you
a top
or a bottom
and that
just got
my back
up straight
away
because
I didn’t
know
more than
one thing
about each
of them
and
that’s
what they
want to
know
so
that
I thought
I just
kind of
replied
with a bit
of a joke
because I
didn’t want
to make
the situation
awkward
because
like I
said
I’ve
got my
good friend
that was
there
but
I thought
that’s
you don’t
need to
know
because
we’re not
we’re not
gonna
we’re not
gonna do
it
that’s right
so
because in
my head
it’s like
it’s clearly
none of my
business
but
should we
have a
conversation
later
maybe that
would be
valuable
information
so I
was like
I know
I’m pretty
sure
it’s not
okay
but let’s
say we
become
friends
later
it might
be worth
knowing
because
I
could be
your
wingman
right
and it’s
like I
know
so if
you and
I were
hanging
out
we live
in different
cities so we
don’t get to
hang out
but let’s
say we’re
hanging out
and okay
I don’t
know if
we’re where
we are
but there’s
a guy
and he’s
kind of
I would
need to
know what
you’re
into to
be to
be to
help you
with that
situation
well in
that situation
I can see
I can see
your logic
yeah
yeah but
I think that
actually answers
my question
which I if I’d
really thought
about it I
could have
figured out
where’s like
you have to
have more
rapport and
more of a
relationship
before that
comes up
that’s
important
I think
that’s
pretty fair
because you
would never
go to a
straight person
and go like
do you like
your penis
or something
because
yeah
I can’t
there’s no
equivalency
to a
hetero couple
no I know
what you mean
just from the
what you’re
doing with
them and
stuff but
yeah
it’s like
if a
complete
stranger
like the
situation
I said
if in
that
situation
I’m also
thinking
for a start
they’ve asked
me and they
don’t know
anything about
me but
also what’s
the intention
beyond the
question because
there are
certain
perceptions
that somebody
who just
maybe if you
don’t know
so many gay
people there
are certain
perceptions and
stereotypes
that you’d
rely on
given you
knew if
they were
top or
bottom
so
typically
if a guy
said oh
he’s a
bottom he’s
probably a
bit girly
a bit femme
that’s a
stereotype and
it’s not always
true
or they might
think oh he’s a
top he’s a bit
of a foot boy
or whatever
I don’t know
the stereotypes
that somebody
might think
if they’re not
in that world
I don’t want
to assign any
stereotypes to
me based on
the answer I
give
I’m also
thinking about
that
yeah
but having a
rapport and
laugh with
somebody that
that kind of
really alleviates
this tension
around the
question so
I’ve been asked
many times by
people I’ve been
fine to answer
because I when I
had a son when
when my wife was
pregnant and I
remember talking to
a group and there
was this really
like party dude
and he clearly was
not comfortable with
his sexuality yet
really he was
very like
heteronormative and
and he was like
what if your son’s
gay and I
because I think I
had made a joke
earlier it was like
you know he’s
gonna be good
looking and tall
and have all the
attributes he’s
gonna be drowning
in pussy I
probably made a
joke like that
and then the
guy’s like what
if he’s gay and
he was trying to
make it I think
he was testing the
water to see if
we shared the
same feeling like
oh that’s a
scary world and
we don’t want a
part of it and I
just said oh well
then he’d be just
like slobbering
cock because he’s
still gonna have all
the positive
attributes that make
him attractive to
other people and I
want him to be
happy so if he’s
straight or gay I
do not care
I just want him
to get as much
as he can which
he’s really
disappointed me with
if I’m being honest
he just hasn’t
gotten any like it’s
interesting he’s all
the people are like
straight or gay is
the issue I’m like
no he’s not getting
any so the
disappointment here
is is strong because
when I was his age
that’s all I wanted
to do was try to get
as much as I could
and I’m like I he
hasn’t gotten my
hormones or my
drive or something
he’s missing something
that I had and it’s
the reason that
Japan’s population is
dropping
well not if he was
gay that wouldn’t
affect it would it
yeah but at least
he’d be active
yeah
oh your poor son
it’s funny because the
pressure that different
parents put on their
kids and I’m like why
aren’t you getting
any
I think this is a
more common pressure
than than we assume
I think a lot of
dads even if they’re
kind of maybe um
bit outwardly
more conservative
reaction maybe
inside the thing
they’re thinking
get it yeah
yeah yeah I think
that’s pretty true
I never could or
whatever
yeah because when
he graduated high
school and they’re
all taking pictures
together there was
like a line of
little high school
girls who wanted to
take their picture
with him before he
left and I was like
I would have
exploited that
situation so hard
but I think that
might be why I
wasn’t that successful
because I would have
been come across as
relatively desperate
where he because he
doesn’t seem to be
particularly interested
in anyone that’s
attractive
beliefness is very
attractive yeah
yeah it’s yeah I
wish I’d known that
in our history
yeah he does have
that because he’s
just empty this is
why beautiful dumb
people are so
attractive is because
you think there’s
something in there
when there isn’t
well that’s the
mystery it’s like
oh what’s he feeling
and then if you
actually went into
his head it’d be
like an echo chamber
of like blah blah blah
blah blah blah blah
blah blah blah
like if you solve
the mystery it’d be
the most disappointing
moment of your life
there is there’s
something endearing
about maybe how
do I wear it maybe
like a visual cue
of or a tangible
cue of somebody’s
maybe lack of
knowledge there is
something endearing
about that that’s
why pigeons are
so stupid because
I think they’ve
evolved to become
less intelligent to
garner some kind of
pity or attention
from the humans
that now feed
them and continue
their survival
well because I
read that baby
animals they have
like big eyes and
they’re super cute
and that’s so that
in certain situations
hopefully there’s a
chance that a
predator will not
eat them it might
take them under their
wing because they’ve
had when a lion
chases away or
kills the leader of a
pride they tend to
kill all the babies
but evolutionarily
speaking that’s
you that’s what you
want to have happen
because you only want
your seed to be
passed on but if
they’re cute enough
you might take pity
on them and then
that will help that
line survive a little
bit and so that was
one of the reasons
baby animals are so
cute is because
they’re they need to
be protected
no I see what you
mean I see what you
mean so yeah it’s
it must be some kind
of evolutionary tactic
well we we’re born
to like I think big
eyes and stuff like
that is inherent we
are designed to
believe that’s
attractive cute not
attractive
god damn
to find that
you are incriminating
yourself on this
well that was that
was I meant
attractive but not
in the way it would
come across
I took it in the
way that you meant
it
I meant I meant
an appealing
characteristic the
problem is again
because of my job I
talk so much I have
to listen to what I
say to make sure I
don’t say something
that could be
misinterpreted so as
I’m saying stuff
sometimes I’m like
well that’s not the
right way to phrase
that gotta gotta
rephrase that one
before I finish this
sentence yeah
don’t know any of
those complaints
coming through yeah
like but attractive is
an appealing traits
that humans find like
so that’s why like our
babies we find big
heads so it’s not
like the baby’s the
baby looks like that
and we’re genetically
programmed to believe
that’s cute have
you ever seen an
ugly baby absolutely
yeah yeah do you
what do you say
you just go oh
in my opinion because
I’m not a baby person
um I’ve my ratio I’ve
seen more uglies than
cutes it’s again I
think I think the
parents are genetically
triggered to think
their babies are cute
my wife when my son
was a baby so still in
like a pram uh she
was out and then this
other lady got on the
same elevator and she
looked over and looked
at because they always
look at each other’s
babies they’re comparing
but then this mother
that we didn’t know
had no relationship
with just looks at
her baby and goes
you lose oh that’s
awful I know I know
and my wife was like
horrified and happy
because like she just
admitted that our baby
was cuter than her
baby but also it’s like
don’t say that yeah
that’s that’s kind of
scratching scratching
maybe like a motherly
ego but also the
motherly instinct to
protect the children
and she’s kind of
scared she’d be yeah
okay you lose but
Japanese society when
it comes to like uh
body shaming and stuff
is just so blatant it’s
terrifying it’s I’ve
noticed physical traits
are kind of dealt with
more practically less
less sensitively than
we do in the west it’s
just everything’s a joke
if it’s not if you’re
not so like I’m I’ve
been losing my hair a
little bit for maybe
the last 10 years
pretty normal um but
now now it’s basically
the good bits are gone
so I basically shave it
all the way down but
if I want to make a
group of Japanese
people laugh I just say
I’m losing my hair not
even a joke like there’s
no setup or anything I
just go I’m losing my
hair they will start
laughing and I’m I
think that’s the
weirdest thing ever I
was like that’s like I
didn’t even make a joke
I just said a fact I’m
losing my hair and they
just burst out laughing
laughing that’s really
funny it’s messed up
it is messed up because
it’s because when you
can’t say the joke you
have to assume that
they’re just laughing at
this misfortune that’s
before when you yes
yeah which isn’t nice
is it I had a I had a
it was my first or
second year in Japan so
like 2002 maybe and I
had one of those like
they were like 14 year
old girls it was like
six girls in this class
together and they just
despised me and I I
didn’t know I hadn’t
done anything yet like
this was literally day
one they’re like ew and
I was like okay I don’t
I I want it so I spend a
lot of time trying to be
friendly and nice and
there was it was it was a
ringleader one girl and I
went to the the staff at
the school and I was like
this girl she seems to
hate me and they go oh
yeah she doesn’t like men
and I was like oh I what
do I do with that I’m I
can’t fix that but she
really wanted to hurt my
feelings which I that is
also quite funny but she
really wanted to hurt my
feelings so she goes up to
the whiteboard she goes you
are m and I was like what
like I was like she’s
saying I’m a masochist but
I didn’t want to like open
that door either so she
goes you are m and I’m
like I don’t I don’t know
what that means she puts an
m on the board on the
whiteboard I’m like okay
she goes you are m and I’m
like I don’t still that
doesn’t make any sense so
then she put eyes in a
mouth under the m and she
was talking about my
hairline because I had I
had like a widow’s peak so
she had she she made an m
shape for my hairline and
said you are m and she
was just waiting for me to
break down and I thought
it was very funny
doing that what why would
she want to break you down
like that because you hate
somebody just hate them
like attacking you yeah
high school girls are mean
like they’re just the
psychological warfare like
they should study that
because they they will go
for your weakness at the
time I’ve never been
particularly self -conscious
about losing my hair so
it’s not a big deal I
would rather not but I
don’t care like it
doesn’t bother me so it
didn’t hurt my feelings I
thought it was a very
funny joke so I started
laughing really hard and
you could see that she was
she felt defeated she was
like this was supposed to
be the one that broke him
and I was like no man that
was a good joke way to go
I mean if she tried on
someone else it might have
broken them but yeah yeah
on a different person it
actually would have been
really hurtful because I
yeah so I made a proposal
for a course and it was a
business course and of
course I had to put some
fake charts that we would
maybe be studying in the
class so one of the charts
I made was Peter’s hair
over time and it started
at zero and then it went
up and then it hit this
kind of peak and then it
started going down and
then there was like a
predictive part where it’s
like is going to go down
to zero or is it we’re
going to find like a cure
for baldness and it goes
back up again and it was
just oh yeah it was just a
very like throwaway joke
but it’s like here would be a
chart with fake information
that we would then discuss
with the clock the guy who
had to approve the project
was losing his hair and was
deeply offended by this joke
and refused my proposal is
what I was told oh my goodness
so I realized you can’t you
can’t put jokes in anything
like you want actually taken
seriously in a business
situation because yeah it drew
attention to something he was
self -conscious about he’s like
I hate this so that means that
the the self -conscious part of
him is driving his thoughts he
can’t kind of see if it was me
I would imagine this chart with
any other topic being displayed
the topic doesn’t matter to what
the proposal is isn’t it yeah
well I was just filling in a
blank space it could have just
said chart but yeah I was like
I’ll make a chart and then oh
here’s an opportunity for me to
like maybe because it wasn’t his
hair over time it was my hair like
I literally was making fun of
myself exactly yeah but he he
just couldn’t handle it hit a
nerve yeah well yeah again so
like I realized like I started
telling my students my students
like I will make jokes about
losing my hair but if you meet
another western person it could be
really sensitive so don’t do it
so I like I realized like the
cultural aspect of teaching is
sometimes like what is okay and
not okay to make fun of is
actually a really big deal because
yeah fat shaming on TV is a
really big thing in Japan I mean
that it is that bugs me and I’m
not even like out of shape that
much I mean and it’s also in
daylife you’ll see businesses but
businesses that kind of to a
western standard insensitively
named depending on what body type
they’re catering to whether it’s
plus size or whether it’s skinny
sizes yeah yeah it’s it’s not the
note don’t have any punches over
here do they Asia is pretty
hardcore when it comes to body
there was a trend on the
internet where everyone was like
crapping on cultural appropriation
and there was some little white
girl and she wanted to have like a
kimono Japanese tea ceremony and
all these all these it was always
western people saying like that’s
horrible and then all these
Japanese people were like no we
really like that she wanted to do
this thing and then there was this
girl wearing a Chinese dress and
all these other people all these
white people in the west were like
it’s cultural appropriation she
shouldn’t be allowed to wear that
dress and they went to China and
said like what do you think and
they’re all like oh she lost a
couple pounds it’d look great
so I was like it was it was it was
it was a whole different way of
looking at the exact same thing
which was real cultural insight as
to what was important to them
because they were like in China
cultural appropriation is not a
thing it’s a great dress she needs
to fit it
yeah do the dress justice
that’s um yeah this is something I’ve
seen on the internet um cultural
appropriation I’m sure that many
communities or some communities it
can be harmful but a lot of the
videos I’ve seen reactionary videos
the culture that’s supposedly been
appropriated doesn’t seem to have an
issue with it no no that there was a
couple videos that came out
yeah there were a couple videos that
came out and it was like purposefully
like I’m going to make a
stereotypical the one I saw was
Mexican so sombrero and fake mustache
and all these people were saying all
these people at a university were
saying it’s horrible and they went to
Mexico and they’re like oh yeah it’s
funny it’s great like they had they
loved it
yeah hmm and all the reactions I think
in a video like that you can cherry
pick the ones you’re going to show
can’t you
oh they must be
people that were reacting positively
yeah they seemed pretty happy about it
about um if even if it was a bit of a
cartoonish display of the culture it was
a display I don’t know um they seemed
happy that there was some kind of um
mingling of cultures sharing them
yeah I was like you what was your
topic that you brought up oh yeah you
brought up a you have a topic like 30
minutes ago yeah but then but then we
went on to the horror movie yeah and
you you told me the plot twist yeah I
was going to say um have you ever seen
those videos online that take all the
music out of the original medium media
and then they switch it with something
else or they leave it blank just to show
you how either messed up or how um
different to the original atmosphere
this video is well for example um have
you seen the movie Mrs Doubtfire yes
Ron Williams um this is a movie I’d say
just to harp on about something we talked
about before this would be if somebody my
age hadn’t seen this movie I’d be quite
surprised um but Mrs Doubtfire is a comedy
movie about a guy who is I think
divorced separated from his wife and
isn’t in a great position where he can
see his kids a lot so he um gets help to
transform himself using um prosthetics
and just general acting into an old lady
and he poses as the perfect nanny for
his kids and his ex -wife and his kids
can’t recognize him as their dad because
he’s a good actor he’s good at pretending
to be a lady and it’s built up as this
heartwarming comedy um oh what’s he like
kind of kind of movie but taking all the
music and all the comedy beats out of the
trailer and replacing it with typical
thriller -esque design and makeup it looks
it looks really frightening how he’s um he’s
coercing people into kind of believing he’s
somebody he’s not and it’s a really good kind
of change of atmosphere have you ever seen
anything like that I’ve seen stuff like that
I’ve seen stuff where they swap out the music
for yeah like a light -hearted movie for heavy
music and then it’s but if you just a lot of
movies especially comedy movies if you just
take the actual premise and like say it out
loud so mrs doubtfire you have a man who
disguises himself to infiltrate his separated
wife’s home without her knowing so he can
spend time with the kids he’s not allowed to
see like that’s horrible that’s the premise
of the film that is a guy who should be
arrested should be put in you know clearly
shouldn’t be around kids if he’s willing to
do this like that this is all insane stuff and
I believe at the end of mrs doubtfire they get
back together again I don’t remember it was
been too long that wouldn’t happen in real
life though no you would find out that this
guy disguised himself and came into your
house you would have him arrested and like
a restraining order immediately yes yeah so
yeah we should maybe we should do that like
go away for a couple weeks try to find some
comedy movies and just like write the premise
of the film or write the premise of the film
see if you can guess what movie it is and then
decide is it a horror movie is it like a
thriller is it a comedy movie yeah yeah
describe them as air bones as possible
revenge of the nerds was a movie I grew up
with which is a terrible tear it would not
have aged well but the the climax of the
movie is oh it’s got like really bad racist
jokes and stuff in which I guess were funny
in the 80s and 90s but not they wouldn’t
make it now you wouldn’t even be allowed to
put it on the screen it’s always changing
yeah yeah but the end of the I think the
first movie this girl the head cheerleader
has sex with what she thinks is her
boyfriend but he’s wearing a Darth Vader
Darth Vader mask and it turns out to be the
nerd and it’s okay because he’s so good at
sex no that’s awful right my goodness this is
sexual assault this is just straight up
sexual assault it absolutely is and but and
she’s like how are you so good he’s like
jocks only think about sports and nerds
only think about having sex and I was like
no you just sexually assaulted that woman
like she should be terrified and horrified
and you should go to jail now yes absolutely
but this is the climax of a comedy film in
the 80s oh my goodness well yeah
oh crikey yeah mrs doubtfire the premise
of that film like if you just if you came
into a studio exec’s office and they said
like well here’s my elevator pitch man
dresses up like a woman so that he can get
into his ex -wife’s house so he can spend
more time with the kids he’s not allowed
to see and they’d be like oh yeah thriller
movie and they like fight at the end it’s
like no they get back together because it’s a
comedy yeah we’re on we’re on the guy side
for the entire movie yeah yeah we really
want him to succeed at this there was a
youtube video that analyzed all the crimes
that are committed in mrs doubtfire by the
by the character and um and based on the
laws in the time that this movie is set
um he estimates how what the consequences
are how much prison time has this guy um
accumulated through all the actions in the
movie and it’s i think maybe it’s
substantial oh i know yeah because a long
time because every instance of him coming
into the house is probably illegal because
they’re separated he’s not supposed to be in
that house he’s not supposed to be around
those kids that’s it’s a separate crime like
yeah yeah you’re stacking endangerment you’re
stacking crimes and it’s i guess probably also
fraud because he’s pretending to be someone he
isn’t so he can get a job like beyond just the like
that that’s that’s fraud and he probably has said
he’s he’s a nanny so he’s like falsified his
background yeah and there’s so much
there’s scenes where he there’s some chaos at a restaurant
i think that that actually um has lawsuits involved as well
yeah yeah it’s been too long since i’ve seen it so i don’t remember but i
actually it would be pretty easy to go through and be like yeah he should be
in prison for like the next decade
because this is fascinating what yeah i’m trying to think of any comedy movies
i’ve seen recently i haven’t watched a lot of comedy lately
but most of them have like a lot of its couple stuff and so the couple
stuff is always really shady because it’s funny
because it’s ludicrous because it shouldn’t happen but it shouldn’t happen
probably because it’s illegal yeah and we see we see these two characters on
screen reacting kind of whimsically to what’s happening it kind of it lets us
slide by all the problematic stuff pretty easily as we’re watching unless you’re
particularly astute to it but re -watching stuff with a with a with a
with a new eye that’s that’s with a critical mindset yeah i haven’t i haven’t
yeah because when you watch the movie you’re not thinking about it you’re just
like following the story but exactly you went back and be like okay
i’m gonna like critically see because in action movies there’s a lot of times
where you’re killing security guards and stuff who are essentially innocent
and i’m like absolutely when you’re killing bad guys and gang members and
stuff okay within the movie premise it’s fine because they’re bad people
just inherently but i’m like you know not all of them actually are bad
they’re just in a tough situation but yeah sometimes they’re going into like a
building and i’m like that security officer had a family and he didn’t do
anything he’s been hired by an evil company it’s not his fault everyone’s
hired by an evil company like i’m working for an evil company exactly
yeah it’s very very true everyone’s working for an evil company you can’t get
away from that part so some guy comes in and like shoots me is that okay because
i wanted to support my family it’s actually not okay but they never
it’s never important to explain this in the movie’s plot so it’s not but have you seen what
they oh i forget which austin power movie it is they address this exact um exact point
um have you seen austin powers i’ve seen yes yes well in this movie whichever one it is
um this stuff happens austin powers the international spy goes in saves a bunch of people
kills a bunch of henchmen and it cuts away to a nice suburban house of a mother child
just enjoying pancakes um the sun’s shining through the window she gets a call so her husband’s been
killed and they it’s a very fourth wall breaking they’re all they’re both sobbing and saying oh
it’s been crushed by uh what was the death i think it was a steamroller death there was a steamroller
death that is extended because it’s moving really slow yeah yeah that was that was a really memorable
scene yeah the joke that was that he could easily have moved out of the way and so they make it they
make it last for about two minutes yeah yeah well this guy’s family um are weeping over his death
saying oh no one ever thinks about the security cards families or i can’t believe what she says but
it’s the gist of what you’re saying yeah well the the joke i saw that really brought it home for me
was like you’re playing a any any sort of shooter and then he was like i would like games to sort of
sort of overlap and so like you you play a shooter and you kill a bunch of people because that’s what
you do in a shooter but then you’re driving you’re playing a driving game a racing game later and the
audience you see the son of one of the men you killed oh it doesn’t make sense it’s just so okay
it’s just a joke he’s like so you’re playing call of duty and you kill a man yeah and then the next
game you play is let’s say a driving game a racing game and in the audience is the son of the man you
killed so you suck yeah he’s like he’s really angry at you he hates he’s really anti whatever
you whatever you’re playing in that game but he’s you’ve i was like actually as a premise that’s
really interesting that you could have like effects roll over into other games is that possible could
they do that uh if you owned both ips you could try to and then if you could track people’s memory
cards yes you could actually do something like that because i would love that to be a thing
metal gear solid would read your memory card and then say so it was like an interrogation scene
and he was like oh you’ve played a lot of final fantasy like and he’s talking to you the player
not you the character in the game because the game read your memory card to see what games you’d
played the most time on it it couldn’t give you any details but like it always keeps track of how
much time and so it would pick one of the one of the games you’ve played the most like maybe the top
two and the character would look around if he had the voice line for that be like oh yeah you’ve played
a lot of tekken oh yeah that’s that’s um that’s a really good idea that’s that’ll creep me out if i if i
if i heard that i was gonna say what’s what’s a really random like embarrassing game it could
mention you’ve played a lot of um barbie’s wonderland
but what would be like a all the games have trophies and achievements and stuff now and then so there was
uh near automata the main character had a short skirt and if she climbed up ladders players would
try to get the the camera under her skirt but she would actually swipe the camera away but if you did
that x amount of times you got a trophy for it like you know bad boy kind of thing and then in
the yakuza games if you what there was one of the games where you could go to this thing where you
called girls on the phone and if you could get them excited enough like you would essentially
masturbate and then you got a trophy for that and it was a really embarrassing trophy name like it was
one you kind of didn’t want to get and there’s so there’s been a bunch of games like lollipop chainsaw had
the same thing where you could try to look up the main character’s skirt and she would kick you away
but a game could look at the trophy list and go you’ve gotten this trophy you dirty dirty boy
yeah they’d know exactly what you have to do to get that as well because it is it is
explicit as to what you had to do to get the trophy i do like these strange very specific trophies i do
like um reading about them there’s obviously there’s like the generic ones oh you completed level five
or whatever yeah milestone trophies but yeah but um but i do like the really odd
you either have to do this by accident or research how to do it because i’ll generally i don’t care
about trophies but i do read the trophy list and i saw the near automata one for looking up her skirt
and i hadn’t looked up her skirt yet so i actually just wanted to see like what does she do so she like
hides her she holds her skirt down so you can’t see up it or she’ll like slap the camera and the camera
will like fly away and then come back um but then i was like oh if you do this 10 times you get this
trophy i was like well i’ve done two might as well finish that one as well so i did i got that trophy
i got the yakuza trophy for essentially masturbating in a booth oh crikey yeah it was pretty funny
i mean just i think it’s a game is it voice acted yeah oh yeah yeah the they always they always they
always have these so so they always have these like weird mini games like there was this one that
happened in sort of old japan and i have a video of it that i can send you after but it’s it’s you
have to drink with a prostitute but this is like a high class one because it’s the edo period so it’s
like a geisha so you drink with her and if you get her drunk enough you play rock paper scissors and
if you win rock paper scissors she starts taking off her clothes and then you have a mini game which is
your character flying around but you’re trying to avoid all the stressful stuff and if you get far
enough you make her orgasm oh crikey it is one of the weirdest ways because you never see anything
like there’s sexy top down shot of down her her decolletage kind of thing but you don’t see any
actual sex it’s but it’s all like this weird implied stuff which made it way funnier yeah yeah
brikey okay it’s a bit one -sided though isn’t it well you see her decolletage that is decolletage
oh he he gets his shirt off you you uh as as the character as the character who’s flying through the
like the bullet hell of stressful things which is also very funny he’s he’s just wearing the
traditional japanese like white sheet underwear and he’s really built oh i see like the whole point
of this character is he’s really really built so you there’s a little bit there for you i mean again i
think the people who make it are kind of heteronormative is the word but yeah but they
still put in a little bit for you know maybe the ladies or other people playing the game yeah fair
enough i always make a big deal when he takes off his shirt i’m like god damn yeah because they rip off
his shirt and show his tattoo every game every big fight every boss fight he takes off his shirt
and it’s awesome okay it’s like intimidation it’s it’s funny because he’s wearing a button
down shirt with a collar but he like pulls it from the side and just rips the whole thing off like it’s
a tear away maybe he’s maybe he’s rigged it himself so he can have that dramatic moment almost a joke in
the game because there was one guy wearing like a shirt tie and jacket and he pulled it off in one go
to take off so he’s just wearing topless but there’s nothing better than that nothing better
than sweaty men fighting and i don’t know how ironically you’re saying that no i i i actually
am on in both parts as a joke and seriously i am 100 on board excellent well we agree on that i can
appreciate no i can appreciate the male form and uh uh i also think it’s very funny that i i think it’s
because in my life i when i was young i was trying to be manly and then i kind of like hit the rubicon
where i’ve gone so far into the manliness that it’s actually funny like i do manly men things and
i know how stupid it is that i’m doing this but i’m still doing it like i’ll do that yeah but it’s
self -awareness yeah i know how dumb i am but i’m still doing it because it’s fun this um conversation
about the yakuza game it’s reminding me of um i seen a level from god of war which i never played
but um i know that there’s a sex kind of i have played game yes i’ve played all the god of wars
you’re talking about the first game where you is it aphrodite i think it’s there’s a series there’s
maybe it happens three times in the game maybe aphrodite might be the last one but it’s it’s you do just
bang some chicks i don’t remember if they’re gods or not but the mini game is essentially
if i remember correctly it’s like rolling the joystick and i think that’s supposed to be like
simulating motion and then every now and then pressing an x which might be like a power move
yeah okay because i remember there was some kind of button control whether it’s like a
um a rhythm based thing or whatever i don’t know what it would if it was rhythm based i would
not be good at it i’m terrible at rhythm based games just banging away at the x button well
unfortunately is what it would happen it’s too bad that is my my failure as a man is my complete
lack of rhythm well rhythm maybe is different for everybody maybe some people that people have
different songs so not every rhythm matches i just got to find someone who enjoys my song
my out of tune song exactly yeah there’s yeah i mean the better well mumble rap got popular and i
didn’t understand it at all not in again both senses but but i i was like this doesn’t sound good why do
people like this but people liked it so yeah there is someone out there who would think i i’m good at
my song i’ve never wait did you say mumble rap mumble rap it was uh five years ago it was really
big it was it was the guys were like i’m gonna i just oh no no i don’t know and you couldn’t
understand any of the words they were saying yeah yeah yeah i don’t know if they called it mumble rap
i know snoop dog was really ripping on mumble rappers he’s like i can’t understand what they’re saying
and it’s not original and they got no skill and i would be more of a snoop dog generation so i want to
be able to hear the words you’re saying and the complications and stuff so that it’s actually
impressive to me if you’re just like i’m gonna i’m gonna i’m gonna i’m gonna i’m gonna chunk my
but but that’s not skillful i suppose yeah maybe not as skillful as it could be that’s yeah i mean
i i could probably do a bit of mumble rap i think that might be the thing is everyone could do mumble
rap if you really yeah and that that’s why again i i didn’t enjoy it but it went away pretty quick i
i’m not surprised i’m surprised it lasted as long as it did but it went away pretty fast well maybe
maybe that kind of comment from snoop dog and maybe other people was quite damning maybe it
shortened the lifespan of it i actually think it it would have if someone big kind of discount
something a lot of people listen and react don’t they mumble rap is a subgenre of hip -hop that emerged
in the mid to late 2010s via soundcloud characterized by unclear enunciation heavy use of autotune and an
emphasis on melody mood and tone over complex lyricism the genre has faced significant criticism
from established rappers such as eminem j cole and logic who have argued that it lacks the lyrical
depth of traditional hip -hop this is i’ve gone into my announcer voice for you i hear that yeah
can you can you can you mumble rap this um explanation please prominent artists frequently
identified with this style and good future young thug amigos little lucy vert playboy cardi trevis scott
little pump extension it’s a bit clear yeah it’s too clear because i actually want you to hear what
i’m saying so it would have to be like uh okay so i’ll give i’ll do this sentence and then i’ll mumble
rap it so conversely defenders compare the style to the sonic simplicity of early punk or jazz scatting
viewing it as a natural progression in the genre’s evolution rather than a decline in quality
conversely definitive compared to the style of the sonic simplicity of early punk
that’s a bit better that’s the best i could do yeah but if you know what i’m saying and then you
cannot almost hear the words but you have to know what i’m saying for but that’s not the case in most
uh when when you’re a listener listen to this no i think the idea is not going to read the lyrics and
then listen to it i think the idea would be it’s not about what he’s saying it’s the mood of this like
the sound so it’s a sad song it’s a happy song it’s just vibes and so just the vibes for a lot of
people ended up again it’s a generational thing if you grew up with it you would think it was awesome
because it was your music but anyone younger or older than you might think it’s shit maybe but
but still if if it’s just about vibes i have a voice at all just these instrumentals yeah no i
i think i think that would be better like don’t use words yeah all right i think mumble rap yeah
mumble rap i mean it’s pretty shit
all the all the do you subscribe to that idea of like you if you’re not from that generation you
think that that that generation stuff is a crap i think because i like 80 stuff no i like i like i
think what happens is there’s music that is good and that will last longer so like again you just
said you like stuff some stuff from the 80s but i bet i could pull because i grew up in the 80s i bet
i could pull a lot of songs that i probably know all the words to and hate and you would think it was
terrible but there’s a group that grew up with it i have this idea that there’s always the song of the
summer for a group that’s 16 to 17 years old and that’s their song and if you actually look there’s
a song that’s produced every single year and it’s that summer song and it’s for that very small group
of people and they will always have it in their heart because it’s their song and so this is an
expansion of that if you’re in your teens you don’t want the music that came before and you don’t want
you want your music that is different and it doesn’t matter if it’s good it’s just different
so that you’re not listening to the same music as the people who came before you and so some of it
survives some of it doesn’t but mumble rap has no future because yeah like unless we keep it alive
well but if you’re if you’re thinking about like well because the 80s songs you’re referring to like
there’s like the depeche mode synth revolution there’s like duran duran pop music those genres became
relatively timeless and people updated them but the fundamentals were still there mumble rap
didn’t do that but i bet there’s like oh glam metal is an 80s thing that went away and so it’s
like all those heavy metal bands that were not quite heavy metal that still dressed with like
um really tight leather and like giant hair like the motley crew and stuff a lot of that went away
like what motley crew lasted longer than the other ones because they have a couple of good songs but
like poison no one who isn’t my age would know who poison is i think i’ve heard of poison but i don’t
i couldn’t tell you any songs yeah because they didn’t they were they were shit yeah okay so that’s
that’s the thing like the the stuff from each age that goes away because grunge in the early 90s
that first group was good they had like four or five bands that were good and then a whole bunch
that came after and kind of like generalized it or made it more pop music they went away they didn’t
last okay so i think you could find that for every generation that but there’s a generation that wants
like their music and it’s just got to be different they want some of that speaks to their experience
don’t they yeah because i was i was uh what would i have been i listened to some pretty i listened to
a lot of ska when i was in my teens ah yeah ska is pretty awful sometimes but i think ska i’ve only
recently started listening to a little bit but it’s for me to me it sounds quite distinct to a lot of
the genres and i can’t always i can’t always pick out what makes this genre special what makes that
special sometimes it sounds the same to me so do you like ska well i think now if you listen to
ska it would be the good ones so again there was all these ska bands that came out at the same time
and most of them were pretty trash that you never would have heard of again the ones that stood the
test of time yeah and that’s that’s the problem like literature suffers from the same thing like we
like oh you go back to a certain era we only remember like let’s say 10 books from the 1940s or the
1930s but how many books were produced at that time were just absolute trash oh yeah and we’re
completely forgotten it’s the same with music it’s i think it’s the same with any art form there’s the
pop version of it that goes away and then there’s like the classics that actually stay so we end up
talking about the classics but we forget the insane volume of shit that came out at the same time
it’s the same rule counts for humans as well oh yeah no it’s i think this is true for everything but
like for art and music and stuff yeah like there’s some stuff that stays but that’s this incredibly
small minority and then there’s all this other stuff that just came out that’s just bullshit and
no one ever is gonna yeah it was forgotten the moment it was produced so buy my book it’s called
montana el diablo it’s available on amazon it’s not one of the trash ones it’s it’s not going to last
beyond my lifetime but it is funny because again i try to make a lot of stuff that’s funny and i don’t
think funny has long historical value so i wouldn’t expect my legacy to be the books that i wrote
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drinking at lunch brings verbal skills like a sucker punch woke up to see a mock beat
yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah i’ll see him i’ll be yeah yeah yeah yeah